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28 Models as a Full-Time Surgeon and Escaping the Golden Handcuffs


Most individuals assume they’ll obtain monetary freedom after they make their dream wage, however what they don’t notice is you may’t out-earn your poisonous cash habits. As we speak’s visitor, Daniel Shin, realized this rapidly when he began making his full-time surgeon wage.

As a baby, Daniel was lucky sufficient to stay the best suburban way of life, however when his dad acquired laid off throughout a recession, issues rapidly modified for the more severe. After seeing his mother and father wrestle to place meals on the desk, younger Daniel determined he would do every part he may to forestall himself from being in an analogous state of affairs financially. As soon as Daniel began making his surgeon wage he assumed he’d be financially steady, however he started to develop his way of life to his wage and began drowning financially. It was at this level he determined to show to actual property investing.

He began by listening to BiggerPockets and determined investing was for him as soon as he realized he may attain monetary freedom quicker by actual property. The primary couple properties he invested in have been turnkey properties. With much less danger, Daniel felt it was a cushty begin to his investing journey, however after some time he wished extra of the motion. Over the past three years, he has acquired about twenty-eight items together with 4 duplexes and two small residence buildings. Daniel is now centered on constructing his “actual property empire” whereas turning into financially free.

Tony Robinson:
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Ashley Kehr:
That is Actual Property Rookie episode 151.

Daniel Shin:
I used to be driving and I used to be feeling burnt out and I used to be actually hoping that I may pull again, however I couldn’t. I felt these golden handcuffs. And for me, that’s after I was like, “Okay, so what do I’ve to do to place myself on a path towards freedom?” And for me that was private finance and moving into actual property.

Ashley Kehr:
My identify is Ashley Kehr, and I’m right here with my co-host, Tony Robinson. Tony, it has been like a month since we’ve recorded, so why don’t you simply give an summary to everyone of what the Actual Property Rookie Podcast is?

Tony Robinson:
The Actual Property Rookie Podcast is right here to encourage, to teach, to inspire all of these new traders who wish to get began on the planet of actual property investing however aren’t positive the place to begin. So we break it down, provide the fundamentals and assist you to get off on the proper foot.

Ashley Kehr:
Once we have been recording immediately, we’ve an incredible visitor Daniel, and once we have been recording, we needed to undergo our guidelines as a result of it’s been so lengthy that we have been recording, “What do we have to contact on? What do we’ve to do,” and assessment earlier than we acquired began. However you guys will discover one factor completely different, my background, in case you’re watching on YouTube, I’m not in my closet. So I not too long ago this previous week I went snowboarding in Colorado and I hit a few bushes.

Tony Robinson:
Actual, good and informal about it.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. So I ping ponged off some bushes entering into a woods path and I’m now sitting right here on the sofa and my leg elevated with some ice, knee brace, crutches, and ready to go to an orthopedic surgeon on Monday. So we’ll see. However I feel it’s a ligament that I tore. So we’ll discover out.

Tony Robinson:
Simply one other day within the lifetime of Ashley Kehr, you by no means know what you’re going to get. In the future it’s bull driving in New Orleans, the following day it’s ping ponging off the bushes in Denver, you by no means know, but it surely’s a enjoyable story. I’m glad I get a primary row seat for all of these things although

Ashley Kehr:
And there’s so many different issues which have it on this journey. There was a windstorm in Buffalo so the flight was delayed, so I needed to keep in a single day in Buffalo as a result of there was no sense of going dwelling. Then on my method dwelling, there was a windstorm in Denver, so I’d to finish up spending the evening in Detroit as a result of I missed my connection. So it was attention-grabbing. Nicely, it’s my first time ever on crutches after which having to journey being on crutches is certainly attention-grabbing.

Tony Robinson:
However there are some good issues that occurred when you’re in Denver as nicely. I hear one thing about some business properties, one thing’s taking place. Give us the replace.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. So whereas I used to be in Denver, I used to be truly there with my enterprise companion and we have been assembly with Tyler Madden and his spouse, Zosia. Tyler’s been on the podcast earlier than, and also you guys may in all probability have seen him on social media in case you’re on Instagram @tylermadden, however we simply had a brainstorming mastermind an entire day, Sunday. That was superior. After which on Monday, we went to an actual property meetup, but additionally on Monday, my enterprise companion and I acquired our supply accepted on a 700-acre campground. So we’re past enthusiastic about this, and now the work begins.

Tony Robinson:
I wouldn’t even know the place to begin on 700 acres. That’s so intimidating to me to consider that a lot land. So I’m all of the extra, I feel, impressed together with your braveness on taking down one thing that large. It’s wonderful.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah, it’s. I used to be truly shocked how many individuals already doubt me. I’ve an agent that I’ve labored with on another smaller offers and stuff and he or she even mentioned to me, “Oh my gosh, are you positive about that?” And even after I had my test written for the down fee, the financial institution that I used to be utilizing to get the try of, I’ve a superb relationship with that individual they usually have been like, “Are you actually positive about this? It is a large enterprise.” And I simply haven’t had individuals doubt me like that for some time. So it’s going to be a superb problem.

Tony Robinson:
There you go. Hey, I’m not doubting you in any respect, I acquired nothing however religion and confidence in you. And it’s good when individuals problem you in that method. I’ll always remember, only a fast facet story. Once we purchased our first property in Joshua Tree, I advised that agent, I mentioned, “Hey, my purpose is to purchase one property each quarter.” And he checked out me and he laughed, and he was like, “Man, you’re fairly bold.” We ended up shopping for them one virtually each month. We purchased 12 within the final 12 months.

Ashley Kehr:
It drives you.

Tony Robinson:
Proper.

Ashley Kehr:
It provides you that little bit. Yeah.

Tony Robinson:
Yeah. Nicely, that’s superior, Ashley. I’m excited for you.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. So what’s new with you?

Tony Robinson:
Truly actually thrilling. We offered our first turnkey Airbnb flip about three weeks in the past now, actually excited to begin increase this a part of our enterprise. We now have second turnkey flip, we simply listed about three days in the past now. And in case you guys wish to see the flips, you guys comply with me on Instagram @tonyjrobinson, I normally submit all of them there.

Ashley Kehr:
Truly, the higher place to comply with is his spouse, Sarah, as a result of her Instagram footage and her reels are wonderful.

Tony Robinson:
That’s true. That’s true. She’s acquired this recurring, like cropped picture of us. So she similar to plops on each home we purchase. She’s @saraaraad, S-A-R-A-A, anyway, comply with me on Instagram, you’ll discover her profile fairly simply. However that’s been actually cool to see as a result of we’ve achieved renovations prior to now, however we’ve by no means truly flipped earlier than. It’s similar to a unique cooler factor for us to do, so we acquired the flips happening. And I spent numerous time prior to now couple of weeks simply making an attempt to get my targets in place for 2022. So we’ve acquired our single household stuff nailed down, placing my crew collectively for our business enterprise as nicely. So issues are shifting, thrilling issues.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. Since you acquired to hang around with Brandon Turner a bit of bit in Vegas and likewise Tyler Madden, who I used to be simply with, you have been with him, making your targets, every part in regards to the day earlier than I noticed him. So we had a joke the entire weekend that Tyler had been hanging out with Tony and Brandon, the 2 best podcasters so ever to going to slumming it with the okayest podcast so it was more durable. Very humorous.

Ashley Kehr:
Okay. We’re going to convey on immediately’s visitor, Daniel. Daniel is a physician and he’s going to speak to you guys about private finance, turnkey properties, taking by yourself BRRRR and what mindset shift appears to be like like, beginning to take properties by yourself and shifting away from that turnkey mannequin. So let’s get to the present.

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, welcome to the Actual Property Rookie, brother. Tremendous glad to have you ever with us, man.

Daniel Shin:
Yeah. Thanks for having me. I’m actually excited to be with you guys immediately.

Tony Robinson:
Yeah. And for these of you that aren’t watching this on YouTube, Daniel’s acquired like a extremely cool artwork historical past assortment happening within the background. So placing mine and Ashley’s background to disgrace, however for a change, Ashley just isn’t in her closet immediately, she’s in her front room. So she’s acquired like a fairly respectable background there. However Daniel, we’re not right here to speak about-

Ashley Kehr:
Are you saying that is higher than my closet, as a result of normally it’s not respectable?

Tony Robinson:
I’ll allow you to learn between the traces as you select. However Daniel, we’re not right here to speak about your artwork historical past assortment, we’re right here to speak about actual property, brother. So why don’t you give us the listeners little background who you’re, how you bought began in actual property?

Daniel Shin:
Yeah, completely. Once more, my identify is Daniel Shin. I’m a surgeon, I’m an actual property investor and I’m a blogger and educator at Darwinian Physician, type of my alter ego. And principally just a few years in the past, I went by this awakening that I wished to turn into financially impartial. And though lots of people suppose that it’s simple as a excessive revenue skilled, it’s truly not, it’s a must to make numerous intentional steps. And that led me down the trail of non-public finance after which to actual property now. And over the previous few years, I’ve grown a portfolio about 28 items.

Daniel Shin:
And I say about as a result of I hope that it’s going to be 27 subsequent week as a result of I’m promoting off an issue property.

Tony Robinson:
Yeah. I had a unique remark, however you mentioned you’re promoting off an issue property, which jogs my memory, I nonetheless have a property for promoting in Shreveport, Louisiana. We’ve diminished the worth, I feel two occasions in final week. We’re actually now at this level, truly we’re going to promote it at loss. We owe like 130 on it, we’ve it listed proper now for 129. So we’re actually simply making an attempt to eliminate it at this level. Anyway, sorry. Introduced up dangerous recollections for me, Daniel, however I wished to return to one thing that you just mentioned. You mentioned that lots of people assume that since you’re a surgeon that it’s simpler to attain monetary freedom, however you mentioned numerous occasions it’s not.

Tony Robinson:
And I feel lots of people would hear that they usually query why you’d say that as a result of when individuals see large incomes, they robotically assume that there’s a very easy path to monetary freedom. So let’s break that down a bit of bit.

Daniel Shin:
Yeah, completely. And I feel that’s one of the frequent questions or criticisms I get on social media after I discuss cash and everybody says, “You make a excessive revenue, you don’t have any proper to speak. You’re set.” And it’s completely true {that a} excessive revenue makes it simpler to do numerous these items, however you may solely use the cash that you just truly save. And I feel that’s one of many issues that individuals don’t notice, regardless of how a lot cash you make, you may spend above and past that. And in case you’re not making these intentional selections to place your self on that good monetary path, you’re not going to have the ability to construct wealth regardless of how a lot cash you make.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, in case you needed to begin once more, was there one thing completely different you’d’ve achieved at first, perhaps even the start of your profession or while you have been going to highschool to set your self up. So perhaps if someone’s listening that’s going to med faculty proper now or is a physician, what could be your recommendation to them about getting began in actual property?

Daniel Shin:
I feel that’s an incredible query. I feel for me, I don’t know if I’d essentially change something. After I was younger, I had a really idyllic early childhood. We have been rising up in suburban New Jersey, my dad labored in New York. And I feel he was doing business actual property truly. After which on the finish of the ’80s, I’m relationship myself, however on the finish of the ’80s, there was a recession and my dad’s entire job went to crap. And hastily we went from this good idyllic, suburban life and issues modified in a single day. We misplaced our home to foreclosures, we needed to transfer.

Daniel Shin:
Actually load over every part up right into a shifting van one weekend, we moved throughout city to a rental. And there have been some actually powerful years the place my mother struggled to even put meals on the desk for dinner. Issues have been actually powerful. So one among my targets in early childhood was to get a job afterward that might be nicely paying with good monetary stability so my circle of relatives and my very own children wouldn’t should spare expertise that. And for me, I additionally wished to assist individuals and I understood what medical doctors did. So my purpose early on was to turn into a doctor. And to do this, I needed to do the entire thing, like get good grades, go to good school, get into med faculty.

Daniel Shin:
And one after one other, I used to be in a position to do all that. After which as soon as issues lastly acquired rolling, I acquired by six years of surgical coaching after which I began making that attending wage, in numerous methods felt like I had lastly achieved it, however then a few years into my follow, I used to be overworked, I used to be driving 10 hours every week with my commute right here in Los Angeles, and I used to be feeling burnt out, however I used to be additionally feeling trapped as a result of I had made that mistake the place you develop your way of life to your paycheck. So we had purchased the Dr. Home, I used to be driving an costly automobile, and I used to be actually hoping that I may pull again in my follow a bit of bit, however I couldn’t, I felt these golden handcuffs.

Daniel Shin:
And for me, that’s after I was like, “Okay, so what do I’ve to do to place myself on a path in the direction of freedom?” And for me that was private finance and moving into actual property. However by that time, I had the revenue to do this and make these adjustments. And so I don’t know if I’d essentially change something after I suppose again.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, while you did resolve that you just wished to get extra into studying about private finance and actual property investing, what was the primary motion step you took in the direction of getting your first property?

Daniel Shin:
Mainly it got here from numerous immersion into the world of non-public finance and actual property investing. So I began listening to BiggerPockets. I had a lot time within the automobile the place I wished to poke my eyes out due to the visitors, and as a substitute, if I placed on a podcast from BiggerPockets, I began enthusiastic about and visualizing a life that was completely different. It was like a gateway drug. So I’d be capable to hearken to podcasts and begin formulating a plan. So earlier than that time, I used to be largely into shares. My plan to get to monetary independence was to take a position into shares, do this for like 15 or 20 years after which have an enormous pot of cash.

Daniel Shin:
However what I spotted is that you could get there lots quicker by the money movement of actual property investing. So I truly offered $100,000 of shares. I had just a few shares that had achieved rather well, fortunately, it was all blind luck, however I had some Amazon, Apple, and many others. And I simply offered it as a result of I knew that I’d incur a capital good points tax, however that’s what I wanted. As a result of if I had this pot of cash burning a gap in my pocket, I knew that would supply me the motivation to begin down the true property investing path

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, you made a degree that I wish to return to about way of life clip, that you just put in all of the onerous work, you went to med faculty, did every part you wanted to do. You lastly acquired the wage, the monetary safety that you just have been searching for, however then you definitely allowed your different bills to fulfill that new revenue that you just had. And I feel that’s human nature. I feel that that’s what everybody struggles with as their revenue begins to develop. However it simply makes me consider this, I assume, these two competing path to monetary freedom. If you happen to hearken to Dave Ramsey, Dave Ramsey’s all about controlling your bills and consuming beans and rice and promoting the automobile and never doing this and never doing that.

Tony Robinson:
After which in case you have a look at somebody like Grant Cardone. Grant Cardone’s like, “I’m going to purchase as a lot espresso as I would like, however I’m going to concentrate on promoting a whole bunch of tens of millions of {dollars}’ value of actual property.” So there’s this faculty of thought that’s centered on dwelling method, method, method beneath your means, virtually to the purpose that it’s insufferable. Then you will have this different finish of the spectrum that’s all about simply centered on the revenue, the bills will care for themselves. However what I’ve discovered is that you just in all probability want a bit of little bit of each. You must be conservative together with your bills and discover a glad medium of nonetheless having fun with life, however nonetheless pondering of your future, however then simply as aggressively specializing in exploding your revenue, as a result of I observed my actual property life modified after I was in a position to mix these two issues collectively.

Tony Robinson:
So I’m simply making a remark right here, however I’m simply curious, Ash, perhaps you can begin first, what are your ideas on discovering the stability between these two issues?

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. After I truly was a Dave Ramsey’s follower, I wished to repay my debt, however I had already began actual property investing. So for me I used to be taking all my money movement to repay my debt. So I used to be nonetheless investing as a result of I used to be doing the BRRRR technique the place I wasn’t utilizing any of my very own cash after which simply utilizing that to repay my debt. And now I simply have mortgages, however no private debt, not autos or something like that, however I’m taking a look at it a unique method even now. I simply thought, “I don’t wish to any private debt. I wish to personal my automobiles free and clear.”

Ashley Kehr:
However then you definitely additionally hear individuals discuss, “Nicely, a automobile mortgage is just 3% curiosity. Why wouldn’t you are taking that cash as a substitute of paying money for a automobile and go and put it right into a property and have that money movement pay to your automobile?” So it truly is a mixture of mindset and the way would do the numbers work out? As a result of for me to maintain a mortgage on my major residence, that’s tremendous low-cost cash to me as a result of that’s the bottom mortgage I’m going to get as I’m on private residence, but it surely’s additionally a mindset factor for me, I wish to personal my very own free and clear. So I feel it’s actually similar to a mixture of each and what helps you sleep at evening too.

Daniel Shin:
Yeah, I completely agree. I feel it’s a mixture and I feel that numerous it all depends the place you’re in your monetary journey, as a result of in case you’re having a tough time making ends meet, you’re drowning in bank card debt, I completely suppose that Dave Ramsey will in all probability assist you to since you acquired to buckle down. You bought to promote that automobile that’s sucking away your paycheck, you bought to make some adjustments. However in case you’re perhaps a bit of bit alongside your monetary journey the place you will have a bit extra means, and also you’re enthusiastic about, “The place do I spend this additional that I’ve as a niche between my revenue and my bills,” I feel that it’s actually related to begin enthusiastic about the price of your cash when it comes to rising belongings versus paying down debt.

Daniel Shin:
I feel that is particularly related for individuals who do numerous skilled faculty and find yourself with a whole bunch of hundreds of scholar debt. After I graduated residency, I actually had $300,000 of scholar debt. After which I may have spent the following 5 years aggressively paying that down, however as a substitute, after a few years after I went by all of my monetary awakening, I used to be like, “Look, I’m going to begin investing that, I could make a a lot increased return investing that extra cash that I’ve as a substitute of paying down this debt that I had at like 3% rate of interest.” So I do know that numerous private finance writers and thinkers are all about eliminating debt, however I feel that it’s actually vital to consider the 5 or 10 yr horizon.

Daniel Shin:
You’re going to finish up with much more cash in case you make investments that well, in my view. You’ll in all probability have extra danger alongside the way in which, however in case you can stand that danger and it’s not going to be a psychological burden to you, I feel you’re significantly better off investing.

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, thanks for opening up that may of worms. And clearly, this isn’t the BiggerPockets Cash Podcast. You guys can go hang around with Scott and Mindy once they drop these episodes, however Ash and I we discuss this on a regular basis that your private monetary place performs an enormous and crucial position in your capability to turn into a profitable actual property investor. So I do know there are lots of people on the market proper now that perhaps hear Daniel’s story and say, “Nicely, I’m not a physician. I can’t get began in actual property investing.” And if that’s what you’re pondering, you’re lacking the purpose.

Tony Robinson:
The purpose is wherever you’re at concentrate on controlling your bills, concentrate on rising your revenue, and you may comply with numerous what Daniel mentioned right here. I wish to speak a bit about your portfolio. Did you will have one thing to say, Ash?

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. I used to be simply going to say, it’s not about how a lot cash you will have. It’s about the way you handle the cash that you just do have. So even you probably have a low paying job, dwelling beneath your means, is what’s vital and saving that additional little bit of money that may assist you to get in the direction of your first deal.

Tony Robinson:
Perhaps we have to have a facet hustle episode the place we simply convey individuals on and speak in regards to the completely different facet hustles they’ve had to assist fund by actual property profession. That may be cool.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. That’s an incredible concept.

Tony Robinson:
Nicely, Daniel, let’s discuss your portfolio. You talked about the highest of the present, however simply give us like a 30,000 foot view of the place your portfolio is immediately, after which you may take us on the journey of how you bought began.

Daniel Shin:
Certain. My actual property portfolio at the moment is 90% long-term rental. I began out with a few turnkey, single-family properties, scattered within the Midwest and Southwest. After which I truly centered extra lively, actual property investing in Indianapolis, and I bought over the past three years 4 duplexes and two small residence buildings. One of many residence buildings is seven items, the opposite residence constructing was eight items, and I’m making an attempt to make it a ten unit, but it surely’s combating me. And I simply purchased a short-term rental in Palm Springs that I’m furiously renovating now. And we simply acquired the granite poured for the pool within the again. In order that was an enormous milestone.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, congratulations. That’s an superior portfolio and I can’t wait to be invited out to Palm Springs when that home is finished.

Daniel Shin:
It’s entire, hopefully going to be actually superior.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. Cool. Let’s begin from the very starting. You began out with turnkey, so please inform everybody what a turnkey funding is. After which let’s discuss the way you even discovered that you just wished to put money into the Midwest in these markets.

Daniel Shin:
Completely. A turnkey rental is, I feel it’s a pleasant gateway in to actual property investing, particularly you probably have numerous worry and anxiousness in regards to the course of as a result of a turnkey firm will primarily take numerous the guesswork out of it for you. They may discover a distressed property, their crew will renovate it and work out what’s unsuitable with the property. After which they’ll promote it to an investor at a retail value, however they’ll care for typically discovering a tenant and doing the property administration they usually’re promoting you an entire bundle.

Daniel Shin:
After I was enthusiastic about moving into actual property investing, I didn’t know a lot about it to begin and I wished that hands-holding expertise. So I centered on a few areas the place I felt that the cashflow could be higher, so the Midwest and the Southeast. And so my first property was truly in Birmingham, which is I feel a well known cashflow market. And an organization down there principally offered me already a renovated home for $92,000. And this property, I feel is a black sheep of my portfolio and I’m truly hopefully promoting it on Monday, but it surely was the gateway that acquired me began. So I’ve a love-hate relationship with it.

Daniel Shin:
It was my first deal, my worst deal, but it surely acquired the ball rolling. And now, I feel I’m going to primarily internet little or no on the property due to septic tank points, which I’ll discuss later, in case you guys need me to, but it surely was what acquired the ball rolling.

Tony Robinson:
Can I ask one comply with up query? I assume first, what’s the advantage of the turnkey mannequin for somebody like your self? After which the comply with query to that’s, how did you discover a turnkey operator that you just trusted sufficient to take a position with?

Daniel Shin:
Yeah, nice questions. Mainly I feel the profit is that it takes numerous the danger out of the renovation side. So since that have, I’ve extra centered on the BRRRR technique, however in case you’re shopping for a turnkey product, they’ve already achieved the renovation for you. So if somebody goes to search out out that its knob and tube wiring within the partitions, or if the sewer line’s all tousled, it’s going to be the turnkey firm. After which by the point they’re promoting this property to you, they’ve figured every part out, they know the way a lot it prices they usually’re going to promote it to you at a value that makes them cash and likewise will get you hopefully a fairly good return.

Daniel Shin:
I feel what I discovered in my expertise at turnkey, you’re in all probability going to get a few 5 to 10% return, nearer in all probability to the 5 to eight% nowadays than the ten%. So that’s, I feel, the advantage of it, it’s a dependable return. It’s not nice, however you may be taught in regards to the course of in a method that’s very secure. That being mentioned, if you are able to do issues well on the extra lively facet of investing and also you’re doing issues the place you’re renovating your self and pulling cash out by way of refinance, you will get a lot increased returns, infinite return, 50% return. And that’s one thing that I’ve seen in my very own portfolio.

Tony Robinson:
When you determined that, “Okay, turnkey is the way in which for me to get began,” how did you discover the proper operator to take a position with initially?

Daniel Shin:
I’m sorry, you’ve requested that 3 times and I carry on ignoring you.

Tony Robinson:
No, no, it’s all proper.

Daniel Shin:
I simply carry on forgetting. However principally, it was by BiggerPockets. Within the BiggerPockets boards, I began taking a look at what had been written about turnkey operators, and I contacted individuals who had purchased properties from them and I requested them, “How did issues go?” And I’d say that nothing replaces truly going and assembly the operators. I make up that one of many explanation why this property didn’t do as nicely is that I didn’t fly down and meet the turnkey firm. I did that for the second turnkey firm that I used. I truly went and noticed their operations and shook their hand and I used to be like, “These guys are nice.”

Daniel Shin:
And that property has achieved significantly better in Little Rock, however primarily, I talked to individuals, I requested round, I regarded up individuals’s experiences and for evaluations, and I referred to as them and talked to them. And I feel they’ve a superb operation issues, simply didn’t go my method ultimately three years down the highway.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. If anyone desires to be taught extra about turnkey, I’ll throw in there that we did episode 29 with Whitney Hutton on turnkey properties too, in case you guys wish to test that out. However Daniel, how a lot was your airplane ticket? How a lot did you spend to go and take a look at and meet this turnkey property? It is a giant funding that persons are making, buying a property. And the way is that worth? How is that a possibility price so that you can pay to go and fly out and meet these individuals?

Daniel Shin:
I feel it’s positively related query. I needed to take off a pair days from work, so I wasn’t being profitable in my job. Truly I feel I acquired a paid trip day or one thing like that, however I had to purchase the airplane, get out to Little Rock and I suffered the worst allergy assault of my life, principally flying out. The bottom of those guys’ operation was truly in Memphis. So I flew on the market and as quickly as I sat within the airplane in Los Angeles, the air from Memphis gave me the worst allergy assault of my life. I began sneezing and primarily didn’t cease the whole method.

Daniel Shin:
After which I needed to drug myself midway to dying. So I used to be in a position to speak to individuals and work together with individuals in Memphis. I don’t know if I may truly ever go to Memphis once more. However it was actually invaluable as a result of the airplane ticket, I feel it was about 500 bucks spherical journey. I acquired an Airbnb, however for me, I had already mentally allotted that cash. This was training for me. I used to be getting within the sport and I had already money out these shares, So I wanted to determine the best way to spend that cash properly. And for me, I wished to really find out about it firsthand.

Ashley Kehr:
I feel that’s one thing individuals overlook about is these little tiny prices which might be truly add a lot worth and prevent a lot cash in the long term. And I do know out of state investing, the thought is to not should go to the property and issues like that, but when that is your first time, don’t be afraid to spend that extra cash to go and meet individuals firsthand, to go try the property and make your self really feel extra snug and assured. After which you may go forward and buy property web site unseen and by no means truly ever see them in individual, but when it makes you are feeling extra snug and you actually wish to know who you’re going to be interacting with, what the property appears to be like like, then spend that cash to go and have a look at a property.

Ashley Kehr:
I simply checked out a property a pair months in the past the place we paid the upkeep man on the property like 100 bucks to take us by and excursions the property and inform us a lot data. And yeah, that was $100 for a property we didn’t even know if we have been going to get below contract, however we realized a lot and have been in a position to underwrite the deal so significantly better as a result of we took the time to pay this man. And that’s the identical with an inspection, that is a chance price so that you’re studying as a lot as you may in regards to the property and never find yourself, “Oh, there’s $20,000 I now should spend after closing.”

Ashley Kehr:
So add these into your quantity too. Once you’re analyzing a deal, put in your journey, put in what the Airbnb goes to price you in order that you realize what your complete bills are going into this property. And also you truly get a greater worth, a greater return on how a lot you’re placing into the property of including these prices into it.

Tony Robinson:
Ashley, I used to be simply going to say you make a extremely good level as a result of there’s so many individuals that ask, “How do I get this agent to take me significantly?” Or, “How do I as a brand new investor, get this normal contractor to take me significantly?” Or, “How do I get this wholesaler to take me significantly?” I’ve a good friend who was investing, he lived in California the place I’m at. He wished to put money into Huntsville, Alabama, was having a tough time with deal movement. Couldn’t discover something on the MLS, was getting ghosted by numerous wholesalers. So he lastly acquired involved with one and he mentioned, “Hey, what do I have to do to get in your checklist, to really be one of many individuals that you just ship offers to?”

Tony Robinson:
And the wholesale was like, “Come out right here and see me.” And he booked the following flight out to Huntsville, Alabama, spent the entire day with him. They ended up shopping for like 9 or 10 homes from this one wholesaler. So if you wish to stand out as a brand new investor, present that you just’re severe, present that you just’re not simply going to waste their time, hop on a flag, get on the market, shake their fingers and meet in-person. I like that recommendation, Ashley, actually good level.

Daniel Shin:
Oh, yeah. I feel that could be a large stumbling block early on as a result of primarily while you’re beginning out a facet hustle or a brand new enterprise, I feel it’s actually tempting to attempt to do every part on a shoestring and never spend any cash. But when you concentrate on it, individuals spend cash on training as a result of it’s value it. And ultimately you realize that’s going to yield you much more return. So for me, I mentally put apart some sum of money and I chalk it as much as training. After I take an actual property investing course or after I fly someplace and do hands-on analysis for me, that’s a part of an investing into the enterprise that I do know in the long term goes to internet me much more return.

Tony Robinson:
Yeah. Another remark for me on the turnkey facet, Daniel, as a result of I like that you just’re speaking in regards to the instructional part, as a result of I feel in case you get with somebody that’s skilled with the proper operator, they could be a supply of training, of confidence constructing for you. I don’t know if I ought to share this extensively as a result of I really feel like individuals would possibly steal this concept, however we’re toying with the thought of doing this within the short-term rental house. There aren’t, I feel numerous, or actually any that I’ve discovered to this point that do that for short-term leases.

Tony Robinson:
So we began flipping homes in a number of the markets we’re on this previous summer season and we’re not simply flipping them and making them good, however we’re flipping them, totally furnishing them, supplying you with actually cool Airbnb experiences, in order that method whoever we buy that home just about on day one can take that property stay and never have to fret about, “Oh man, how do I rehab? How do I design? How do I get it prepared for company?” So I feel that there’s an enormous alternative there to assist individuals break into a few of these areas with actually low danger. Clearly, the returns received’t be pretty much as good as the person who discovered the deal and did all of the work, however you’re getting in with lots much less friction than what it will sometimes take somebody,

Ashley Kehr:
My enterprise companion, Daryl, is right here and he’s actively writing down your concept proper now and about to launch it.

Daniel Shin:
I feel that’s going to do nice, Tony. Being on the renovating facet of a fairly large rehab proper now in Palm Springs, this factor has been torturing us. And I feel it’s going to be value it ultimately as a result of the market is simply going bonkers on the market, however there are these hours necessities that it’s worthwhile to do to get materials participation in these items. Initially when my spouse and I first purchased the property, we have been like, “Oh, we acquired to ensure to get these hours.” God, that’s not an issue. We’ve been on the market a lot, this factor has been such a time suck, but it surely’s a labor of affection at this level.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, how did you get snug with making that change from turnkey to your able to tackle a property by yourself? What did that appear to be for you?

Daniel Shin:
Mainly I wished extra of the motion after I ran the quantity. I used to be like, “This return is fairly good.” However then you definitely examine infinite returns from a superb BRRRR property the place you’re shopping for, renovating, renting, refinancing the property your self, and I wished that and I knew that to essentially entry that I must do it myself. And I wished my cash to go additional as a result of while you’re even shopping for a turnkey property on the value factors within the Midwest and Southeast the place you should purchase a pleasant dwelling for 100,000 or $120,000, that’s some huge cash. That’s 25 to $30,000 that it’s a must to plunk down.

Daniel Shin:
And even while you’re making a extremely good revenue as a doctor or surgeon, you’re going to expire of capital in some unspecified time in the future. So essentially the most environment friendly method of rising your portfolio in my view is by that BRRRR technique. And I wished to be extra environment friendly with my cash. So after I was enthusiastic about the place to do this, by BiggerPockets once more, I had a an acquaintance down right here in Southern California who was investing in Indianapolis and we met for lunch in some unspecified time in the future, we had some like Hawaiian pizza and he talked to me about out his crew in Indianapolis, after which he made an introduction. And I used to be in a position to construct my very own crew, I flew on the market, I drove round, and I met a realtor.

Daniel Shin:
After which on that very same go to, on the final day, we discovered the primary duplex that I bought there, which continues to be my like crown jewel property, I feel.

Tony Robinson:
I like that you just talked about that you just guys ate Hawaiian pizza. That’s the important thing takeaway from immediately’s episode is that if you wish to construct good networks, you bought to interrupt out the Hawaiian pizza. And so I wish to get into your psyche a bit of bit, Daniel, as a result of it positively is much more work, however we perceive why you probably did it. However when you made that call, when you discovered that duplex, and perhaps we will use this for our Rookie assessment or our Rookie deal assessment, how did you truly go about executing on that imaginative and prescient of shopping for this asset, this distressed asset, getting it renovated, inserting tenants, as a result of I feel that’s the half that lots of people wrestle with is, “Man, I’m midway throughout the nation, how do I on this a part of the globe, renovate, discover tenants, do all this factor on the opposite facet of the globe?” So stroll us by what your course of regarded like.

Daniel Shin:
Certain, completely. Mainly, I had in all probability a half dozen conversations with these individuals earlier than I ever flew out to Indianapolis, however principally I had primarily a GC, a normal contractor who was going to have the ability to handle the renovation that I had talked to and my good friend had used him so I knew that he was reliable. And I had an actual property agent who was youthful, hungrier to construct her enterprise. And after I flew on the market, I met with each of them and I principally communicated… One of many greatest issues that I wished to do in that go to was to speak to each of those those that I used to be severe.

Daniel Shin:
I painted to them the imaginative and prescient of my portfolio in 5 or 10 years, which was going to be, jokingly on my weblog I name it my actual property empire. I would like an empire of actual property property. I painted that image, I mentioned, “Look, I’ve belongings that I’m keen to take a position. That is the place I wish to get to. I’d love so that you can be part of that.” And I feel that actually helped give us all of the belief to maneuver ahead. After which on the final day, my actual property agent, simply displaying me round, this one property got here on the MLS, it popped up and he or she referred to as me and I used to be on the brink of go to the airport, however I simply was like, “Okay, I’m proper by right here.” So I simply drove by it, I checked out it, I couldn’t go in, however I mentioned, “Okay, let’s make a suggestion, let’s get it below contract.”

Daniel Shin:
And simply inside an hour of it happening to the MLS, we had it below contract, and issues simply began from there.

Ashley Kehr:
That’s so superior. That’s actually thrilling, particularly being within the metropolis while you need to make investments and also you get your first property earlier than you even go away.

Daniel Shin:
Yeah. It was actually thrilling. After which principally, I may go into numbers now or I can speak extra broadly about it. What do you suppose?

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah, let’s go into the numbers of it.

Daniel Shin:
Okay. This was a duplex and it was simply east of downtown Indianapolis and an space that’s quickly up and coming referred to as Arsenal Heights or Holy Cross. And principally, it was listed for $165,000 and there have been three bedrooms on either side. And the acquisition value, wanting again at this now, this could by no means occur immediately, however we provided $157,000 and we acquired it below contract at that value. Proper now it’s a must to supply normally 10% above what the checklist value is they usually’re bidding wars, however this was, I assume, about two and a half years in the past.

Ashley Kehr:
How have been you financing this deal? Had been you utilizing money out of your shares or what did you utilize?

Daniel Shin:
I used a mortgage, so I acquired a mortgage on it, however I put a down fee, I imagine 25% because it was a duplex. And I used to be utilizing money to finance a down fee, after which I acquired a mortgage for the remainder of it. So with the closing prices, it was about $161,000 complete to purchase the property, together with a mortgage, and it was in fairly good condition. We didn’t should do a lot of the roof, and a number of the flooring was tousled. One of many bogs was actually bizarre. So we did a fairly thorough renovation truly, the place we gave it an entire facelift, painted every part. We ran counter tops, we utterly redid one of many bogs, each of the kitchens have been primarily utterly upgraded, all new home equipment.

Daniel Shin:
And it regarded actually sharp once we have been achieved with it. And that price about $68,000 or $69,000. And that simply blew my thoughts coming from Los Angeles the place you repair your rest room and it prices $30,000 to the place you may renovate a duplex in Indianapolis for 70,000. That simply blew my thoughts.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, while you bought this property, did you get this budgeted out earlier than, or did you resolve to do the rehab after you bought it? After which, the place did you type draw the road? You mentioned you place in granite counter tops and no less than close to me, in case you put in granite counter tops in numerous the locations, you’re not going to get that worth again, you may’t improve rents excessive sufficient to cowl that type of price of placing these high-end finishes. How did you make that call of what’s an excessive amount of? What’s over upgrading the property as to the place you’re going to get that candy spot, the place you may elevate the lease and also you’re getting a pleasant property?

Daniel Shin:
Yeah. Nice query. Mainly I had every part plugged right into a cash-on-cash return calculator. So utilizing my actual property agent there, she additionally does property administration. So I primarily requested her, “That is what I’m pondering with the property, what do you suppose we will get for rents?” So she projected her lease and my contractor there walked to the property and principally gave us a quote. And he mentioned, “That is what it’s going to price to renovate each items.” And utilizing that data and figuring out how a lot I put into the property, I used to be in a position to generate a projected return. And that was a projected return with out the refinance portion. Simply if I lease innovated it, put within the cash and rented it, what was my return going to be?

Daniel Shin:
And I used to be focusing on 10% or increased. So my actual property agent thought that if we did the stainless-steel home equipment and the granite counter tops, we might entry a bit of bit of upper return as a result of there’s truly numerous younger professionals in that space, as a result of it’s proper close to downtown Indianapolis the place there’s gross sales pressure and all this issues. So there was positively a marketplace for that. In some locations round Indianapolis, positively you’re not going to essentially get your a refund in case you go that top finish, however she thought we might and he or she was proper.

Ashley Kehr:
What does it appear to be immediately? What are the rents and what’s the property worth at proper now?

Daniel Shin:
Mainly what I used to be in a position to do is about six months after I’ve renovated the property and acquired all of it tenanted, I went for a refinance. And it was appraised for $256,000. So it was fairly good. So principally, we have been in a position to money out ReFi, virtually the entire cash. And on the finish of the day, I solely had $14,000 left within the deal. So 70% of that new appraisal quantity was given again to me as a test and I used it to repay virtually the entire preliminary funding and the preliminary mortgage. After which while you depend that in opposition to the lease that we have been getting and together with issues like emptiness, property administration, upkeep, property taxes, our return projected was 62%.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, that’s nice. What did you say the worth was once more, 260-

Daniel Shin:
$256,000

Ashley Kehr:
Okay. So you will have $14,000 right into a property that’s valued at 256,000. I feel so many occasions individuals get hung up that it’s best to have all of your a refund out, and that’s the one option to do a BRRRR, however solely having $14,000 right into a home for 256,000, that’s superior. That may be a nice BRRRR. Congratulations.

Daniel Shin:
Thanks. I used to be tremendous proud of this. And principally, this was proof of idea to me as a result of I’m a surgeon, I’m a numbers man, so principally I wanted to have proof of idea to essentially go all in. And I additionally wished my spouse to come back on board. So this entire time, this took a few yr, and this entire time I used to be doing it alone, my spouse was taking a look at me with skeptical expressions on a regular basis after I was speaking about what I used to be doing, as a result of she’s additionally a spreadsheet individual. So principally after I was in a position to present this and I confirmed her the returns that have been projected to get, she was like, “Okay. All proper. I feel I get it now.” And really she’s been my companion ever since in the true property investing as nicely.

Daniel Shin:
A few issues ended up being a bit of bit costlier than projected, the property tax went up a bit of greater than we thought and I feel one of many water heaters went out. However persistently over the past two years, we’ve been in a position to get about 50% return from this property, which is not so good as that 62 that we projected, however how are you going to not be proud of a 50% return in your cash?

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, what an incredible first BRRRR for you? And I feel hopefully you’re simply inspiring numerous different those that they’ll do the identical factor from a number of, a number of states away. I assume my final touch upon the BRRRR, have been there any classes that you just realized all through that course of that you just utilized to the following BRRRR and extra like tactical, we’ll discuss mindset in a minute, however extra like tactical issues, like, “I missed this and we have been doing this scope of labor or I ought to have priced a property at this”? What are some tactical stuff you realized?

Daniel Shin:
I feel the most important take away, this has simply made a dream property, now, one thing’s going to go unsuitable with it, knock on wooden. However what I’ve realized from the opposite properties is that you just don’t wish to skimp on the inspection half. As I realized in one of many subsequent duplexes that I bought, it was a wholesale deal and I used to be like, “Oh, I’m going to purchase it money, anyway, I don’t want an inspection. My contractor walked it.” I want I’d paid for the inspection and I want I’d scoped the sewer as a result of each of these issues ended up being problematic. There have been issues unsuitable with the plumbing that we didn’t foresee, there have been issues unsuitable with the sewer line. In order that ended up being an costly lesson. And I’d say that was the takeaway, but it surely’s extra on the second or third deal.

Tony Robinson:
It’s a extremely, actually nice level, one which I feel numerous rookies want to listen to. On all of our single, actually on any buy we make, we at all times get an inspection as nicely. And if we discover one thing that’s far above and past what we had initially scoped out for our scope of labor, we’re going to ask for some value discount, and we hope that the sellers are affordable and keen and perceive that these issues that may occur. So not solely does the property inspection assist you to, I feel, preemptively take down sure issues or no less than plan for them appropriately, but it surely additionally may provide you with a value break on the property to get it at a barely discounted price.

Tony Robinson:
So Daniel, congratulations, man. What an incredible first BRRRR, thanks for sharing these classes with us, man. I simply wish to maintain rolling with the portfolio actually rapidly after which we’ll speak mindset, however you mentioned to procure that first property two and a half years in the past. Did I hear that appropriately?

Daniel Shin:
I feel that’s about proper. Yeah. It was about two and a half. Truly, is it three years in the past now?

Tony Robinson:
It’s someplace in that ballpark. Three years in the past, proper?

Daniel Shin:
Someplace in that. I really feel like I’ve been an actual property investor ceaselessly, but it surely’s truly solely been just a few years.

Tony Robinson:
However now you’re within the 20s approaching 30 items, which is totally wonderful, man. There’s a sure stage of momentum that comes together with being an actual property investor that I actually wish to make certain we spotlight as a result of there’s a lot effort and power, and braveness, and time, and endurance, and failure that goes into that first deal. However when you get that first deal achieved, you don’t have to begin throughout. You possibly can carry that momentum into the second deal, into the third deal, into the fifth deal, into the twentieth deal, into the thirtieth deal, so a very powerful factor for the rookies which might be listening proper now’s to focus as a lot of your consideration, as a lot of your power as you may into getting that first deal achieved.

Tony Robinson:
After which hopefully, three and a half years later, three years later, you will be like Daniel and be at 20, virtually 30 doorways, as a result of that’s an incredible journey, man. So I wish to return although, to Daniel three years in the past, earlier than you bought that first deal, earlier than you burned homes midway throughout the nation and knocking it out the park, what have been a number of the misconceptions that you just had about being an actual property investor? What have been some issues that you just assumed to be true that turned out to be false?

Daniel Shin:
I’d say one which involves thoughts is that actual property and traders are sketchy people who don’t have the curiosity of their tenants in thoughts. After I make a TikTok video about actual property investing, numerous my feedback are like, “Actual property traders are terrible. You’re parasites to humanity.” And I feel that’s completely, completely BS. I feel that actual property traders, and that is my strategy in life generally, in case you correctly incentivize everybody, everybody can win. And I actually imagine that. And my property supervisor is similar method, when one thing’s going unsuitable, you may repair that as rapidly as potential for the tenant, you may principally do every part you may to make it an incredible expertise for the tenant. And also you don’t should be that typical what most of the people would possibly consider as an actual property investor, which is actually a slum Lord.

Daniel Shin:
That doesn’t should be you. You may make a superb revenue, you may have nice properties and supply superior housing, and you may truly assist the financial system in a method that you could’t do in your W2 job. In a W2 job, you’re working and serving to your organization, however as an actual property investor, you’re using dozens and dozens of individuals. You’re using actual property lenders and brokers, and contractors, electricians, plumbers, and also you’re offering an incredible place and supporting the housing market. In order that I’d say is the most important mindset or realization, that you could be an moral, good affect on society as an actual property investor.

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, I’m so glad you talked about that, and I’m additionally glad that you just talked about TikTok as a result of individuals on TikTok are very offended, and my spouse and I, we get numerous hate on TikTok as nicely. However I feel like with any occupation, there’s good and there’s dangerous. And also you show that, simply because there are some on the market which might be giving us a nasty identify on TikTok, doesn’t essentially imply that that’s the trail it’s a must to comply with as nicely. So that you will be no matter landlord you need. So in case you guys are on TikTok, try to discover the positivity there, not a lot the negativity.

Tony Robinson:
Additionally, in case you’re on TikTok, comply with me and my spouse, we’re @therealestaterobinsons. And in case you’re on Instagram, comply with me, @tonyjrobinson. Ashley’s @wealthfromrentals. And there’s a number of good individuals on each the social media platforms speaking about all the great that actual property investing is doing.

Ashley Kehr:
I solely have like 100 followers on TikTok, so I don’t get hate feedback but. I don’t get any feedback but.

Tony Robinson:
Give it a while. Give it a while.

Ashley Kehr:
Daniel, what’s your TikTok?

Daniel Shin:
All of my social media and my weblog is thedarwiniandoctor on Instagram, thedarwiniandoctor on TikTok, as in simply, thedarwiniandoctor, all one phrase, and add .com for my weblog. It’s not the simplest identify, however after I was enthusiastic about what I used to be going to attempt to obtain, I wished to evolve into an actual property investor, I wished to evolve into a private finance wizard, and so I assumed it epitomized my journey.

Ashley Kehr:
Yeah. We’ll ensure you guys try Daniel’s social media. I’m going to take us proper now to the Rookie Request Line. As we speak’s query is from Landon. If you happen to guys wish to name and go away us a voicemail that we’ll play on the present, you may name 1-8885-ROOKIE. So right here’s immediately’s query.

Landon:
Hello. That is Landon. I’m calling from Anchorage, Alaska. I’ve a fourplex out right here and I’m home hacking as my first property, so I’m simply getting began. I had a query relating to utilizing different individuals’s cash. I’ve heard so many podcast episodes and company speak in regards to the energy of using different individuals’s cash for investing. I not too long ago met a physician and he has one other good friend who’s [inaudible 00:47:08]and investing with somebody who is aware of a bit of bit about actual property, they usually’re turning to me to ask these questions and to doubtlessly companion up sooner or later.

Landon:
And I simply wished to ask, what are some nice methods to construction a partnership and likewise current the partnership in a worthwhile option to these individuals which might be actually simply bringing the cash to the desk? And the way can I add essentially the most worth to them because the traders to, I assume, each will mutually profit. Thanks.

Daniel Shin:
I feel that’s an incredible query. To start with, I wish to congratulate him for doing a home hack as a result of that’s a incredible option to get into actual property investing. And OPM, different individuals’s cash, it’s like individuals, I feel use this as a catch phrase, however primarily, I feel numerous actual property gurus on the market are saying, “Make investments 100% with different individuals’s cash, don’t put any of your cash in.” And I feel that different individuals’s cash doesn’t essentially should be cash from an individual, it may be cash from a financial institution. So while you’re utilizing a mortgage, you’re additionally utilizing OPM. On this situation, although, you will have a typical situation, I feel, that’s going to be superior.

Daniel Shin:
It feels like this investor has a bit extra time on his fingers and a bit extra hustle, and he has some companions who’ve funds, however not essentially time. So it’s like a wedding made in heaven. He can principally search for offers, he can do the legwork to search out them and get them below contract and perhaps handle renovations, and he may make the most of the money movement that his companions have. And there’s methods to construction it in order that they make an incredible return, however he additionally is ready to develop his portfolio and profit from that progress in a method that advantages everybody. Once more, principally incentivizing either side.

Tony Robinson:
One remark for me on the OPM piece is that you could additionally construction this, Landon, as similar to a debt-based partnership. It doesn’t essentially should be an equity-based partnership. So in case you simply say, “Hey, personal cash individual, I’m going to pay you 10% curiosity paid out month-to-month, quarterly, yearly,” no matter it’s, that’s one other option to construction the deal, in order that method they don’t essentially fear about how nicely the asset’s performing since you’re simply contractually obligated to pay them a particular return. So there’s no proper or unsuitable reply on structuring the partnership, Landon. Hopefully that works for you.

Tony Robinson:
Daniel, you’ve been knocking out the park, brother. We actually admire every part that you just’ve dropped at the desk right here to this point. As we wrap it up, I simply wish to give a fast shout out to one among our Rookie Rockstars. And immediately’s Rookie Rockstar is from our Actual Property Rookie Fb group, which is, I don’t even know, virtually 40,000 individuals robust at this level, really one of the lively, one of the engaged Fb teams on the market. So in case you guys haven’t joined, please ensure you do this. However immediately’s Rookie Rockstar is Bethany T. And Bethany mentioned that she’s excited to get a pleasant large test from their first flip immediately, that she’s amazed on the energy of actual property, they usually couldn’t have achieved it with out the group, the BiggerPockets group.

Tony Robinson:
However they purchased it for $100,000, the rehab solely took six weeks. They have been in a position to promote it for $165,000. And so they had just a few prices, holding prices, issues like that, however they ended up profiting a complete of $39,410. That’s lots of people’s salaries. So to have the ability to make that on one transaction in six weeks is wonderful. So Bethany, large congratulations to you.

Ashley Kehr:
That’s superior, Bethany. Congratulations. Daniel, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us immediately. Are you able to let everybody know once more the place they’ll attain out to you in your social media or your web site or anyplace else?

Daniel Shin:
Yeah, completely. I’d say among the finest locations to search out me is at my weblog, thedarwiniandoctor.com. And it has three years of my ravings about drugs, about private finance, and now numerous attention-grabbing actual property content material. And I’m additionally on Instagram @thedarwiniandoctor, and I’ve a fairly amusing TikTok account now with some fairly attention-grabbing content material there about private finance in actual property, and it’s rising quickly. In order that’s additionally thedarwiniandoctor.

Ashley Kehr:
Superior. Thanks a lot for sharing with us immediately, sharing your story and offering a lot worth to us and the listeners. I’m Ashley @wealthfromrentals, and he’s Tony @tonyjrobinson on Instagram. And lastly, earlier than we shut out, right here’s a remaining phrase about how BiggerPockets can present you worth proper now.

 

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